Sun Rolls Out Galaxy 2

26 Sep '07 - 08:41 by benr

As I'm sure most of you have seen by now, Sun has introduced 2 new systems to the X86 lineup: the X4150 and X4450. These systems are exciting for 3 very big reasons:

  1. These systems represent the first in the second generation of Galaxy. Remember, the M2 versions of the first Galaxy lineup were "product refreshes". These are all new.
  2. These systems represent the first fruits of the Intel partnership. The fact that Sun's systems architects now view the Intel processors as viable is a big nod to Intel's hard work, partnership or not.
  3. These systems represent the first all out, full frontal attack on Dell and HP.

Let me expand on this last point. Sun has, for more years than I can recall, believed that bulk storage doesn't belong in the rack server. (I'm considering Thumper as a storage device, not a rack server.) Drive counts have been small or in many of the SPARC systems, non-existent. Here and there we'd see a system introduced with optional disk trays (E450 and E3500 come to mind) but these systems were oddities on the landscape. The unspoken wisdom was that bulk storage belonged in a proper storage solution, such as SCSI trays or FC arrays, storage and server are separate entities and internal disk is about the OS, swap, and small local applications.

While this design philosophy resonated well within the Sun user-base, by and large, the consumers of Dell and HP systems turned up their noses and demanded higher drive counts. If you only need 1TB of disk why would you resort to an external solution when Dell and HP systems commonly offer sufficient internal storage? A silent war has brewed in the walk ways of data centers for years and years. But today it ends.... these systems offer 8 internal 2.5" 10K RPM SAS drives. With stock disks coming in 73GB or 146GB, and the ability to purchase larger drives on the open market.

So finally we have systems to go toe-to-toe against Dell 2950 and HP DL360, two of the most prevelent X86 systems in data centers today. In the U1 space the X4150 has as many drives or more (DL360 only has 6 SAS drives), and beats out both by having double the memory capacity. On top of it all, I firmly believe (bias aside) that the LOM offered by the Sun systems is vastly superior to the Dell and HP counterparts.

The Sun Fire X4150 is where its at. (And no onboard NGE's!)

Turning to the 2U system, the Sun Fire X4450 we find some real Sun engineering brilliance. 8 disks again, but a 4 socket system (16 cores total possible) with a mind blowing, MySQL wet-dream-come-true, astounding 128GB total memory capacity on a whopping 32 DIMMs! This is made posible by an extremely daring "bunkbed" (my term, not Sun's) design in which the DIMMs are sitting above the CPU's to make the most of the available airflow. Andy B and team do it again! John Fowler has got to be proud of what they accomplished. The air is feed from a bank of Delta fans that are likely to blow out your ear drums from the look of them, but not a bit of the airflow is wasted inside that chassis.

But wait, you say... who the hell needs 128GB of memory? HPC or some mega-database, but not me! Well, stop and think again... the total capacity might be 128GB, but thats not as important as the 32 DIMM slots. That means that you can buy less expensive memory because you can use more of them. 1GB DIMMs, even ECC Fully Buffered, aren't that expensive, so load 'em up!

I'll be the first to say that the only thing wrong with these systems is that they have Intel processors in them. Frankly, I'm still in the process of being sold on Xeon. But, fact is, everyone that I've talked to that has used these new Xeon's is raving about the performance and the Quad-Core AMD's just aren't here today. It'll be exciting to see the head-to-head comparisons when the AMD version of this system (its only a matter of time right?) appears.

The X4150 is shipping today and the X4450 is coming next month. Congrats to everyone at Sun and Intel involved in making these systems a reality. Jonathan's commitment to offering choice is only expanding with each new announcement. Choice is good!

Side Note: It just occurred to me... in 1997 Sun introduced the Starfire E10K which, according to SunSolve's Systems Handbook, had a total system capacity of 64GB of memory. Oh how far we've come in 10 years. It also featured 64 CPU's and Niagara 2 is just around the corner!


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Those look nice, I definitely want to consider Sun again for my next round of server upgrades for my DB server, it sure would be nice with 128GB of ram, all the indexes in RAM all the time… I just still can’t get adjusted to opensolaris though (from a FreeBSD background)

Stuka - 26 September '07 - 12:39

Hey, don’t forget the Daktari and Cherrystone – either 6 or 12 bays of internal FCAL storage. The 6 slots of the E250 wasn’t too bad either, for the time.

128Gb of RAM in such a small host though – quite amazing. I’m looking forward to Sun stepping up their SPARC lineup to keep pace.

Andre van Eyssen (URL) - 26 September '07 - 12:44

I drooled when I saw the X4150 but then after reading your post I got disappointed:

“With stock disks coming in 73GB or 146GB, and the ability to purchase larger drives on the open market.”

How disappointing. I don’t want to buy a system like this with disks coming from somewhere else. I want a single point of delivery for the complete system. But this is where Sun still sucks bigtime. They are terrible when it comes to adjusting the systems to customer requirements (such as disk requirements) and most of all, what I hate is that when you buy from Sun with something “extra” then you will usually get your “extra” delivered on the side. If they want to compete with HP and Dell then this needs to improve dramatically. We just ordered a fully loaded M4000 for gobs of money, with an extra HBA and we get to install that ourselves! I get better service from Dell when I buy a low end server from them.

I would love to buy more from Sun but the fact of the matter is that there is always extra work that needs to be done when you buy something from Sun. Worst of all, the few systems we have bought from them this year – one of them turned out wrong (A V210 was delivered instead of a V240, same spec minus two drives). The delivery was late as well and we were forced to use the V210 because we couldn’t accept any more dead time because of a delivery of a standard machine.

Dell delivers much more to us than Sun, always on time and you can always just unpack, push it into a rack, cable it up and push the on button. Unless Sun gets to that point they will never have a chance of replacing Dell at this shop because when you want to replace something that is already good, low price and just plain works then you have to offer just that little extra to get the decision makers on your side.

/David

DavidT - 26 September '07 - 13:12

1.) These look awsome
2.) Lets hope the build to order and delivery issues have been resolved that we have seen in the past.

Karl (Email) (URL) - 26 September '07 - 14:06

David: Put some heat on your reseller. Seriously.

I’d say the 210/240 thing is an honest mistake, since they ship in the same box. Very annoying for the customer, I understand, but mistakes happen.

As for not getting your extras installed, I tend to agree that isn’t fantastic if the customer doesn’t have staff comfortable doing the work. Complain to your reseller (some will preinstall for you, some won’t.)

Andre van Eyssen (URL) - 26 September '07 - 14:11

We will have to wait for Nehalem and its Quickpath switched interconnect before massive multicore designs like this really sing. Given the 8-core Mac Pro shows hardly any improvement in performance over the 4-core, I guess this box is mostly useful for workloads that fit entirely in cache, like video compression.

Fazal Majid (Email) (URL) - 26 September '07 - 16:59

Perhaps Sun is still used to the reseller model, whereas Dell provides everything directly. This would mean Dell does the support and integration that Sun might expect you to get elsewhere.

The sun systems I have seen have consistently been higher quality, but at the same time they are more complex and require more setup and maintenance. It’s just another trade off.

Drew (Email) - 26 September '07 - 17:19

Yeah I just saw this machine after rounding out our server setup with three new X4600 M2’s. Oh well, can’t really complain with what we have :)

Sam - 26 September '07 - 18:07

Stuka: There must just something about FreeBSD vs Solaris that creates massive cognitive dissonance. I’m a long time Solaris user, and I was trying to set up a home webserver with FreeBSD after an old friend repeatedly sang its praises. Trying to make that work was one of the most frustrating experiences I’ve had with a computer. I gave up and went with S10×86 and have been perfectly happy since. I can see how it would be just as hard the other way around.

elmegil - 27 September '07 - 03:02

With 32 DIMMs they would make very nice VMware machines too!

Janåke RÜnblom (Email) (URL) - 27 September '07 - 08:56

elmegil: I disagree. I started with FreeBSD at home. When I finally decided to stop renting for our site, I bought 8 Sun Fire servers. Six of them have Solaris 10 on them, the final two have FreeBSD 6.2. Before I purchased the servers, I had never used Solaris. I did not have much trouble grasping it, and indeed there are some thing I love (like SMF) about Solaris. Equally, FreeBSD does some things better. At least with me, there was no disonance at all. FreeBSD deserves any praise that it gets—and I rely on both.

John M (Email) (URL) - 27 September '07 - 13:55

“On top of it all, I firmly believe (bias aside) that the LOM offered by the Sun systems is vastly superior to the Dell and HP counterparts.”

Is LOM offered by Sun really that much better than HP iLO/iLO2 advanced ? ILO/ILO2 is slick as a lights out management that I have seen on any modern server. Do correct me if I missed something about the Sun offering.

SR

SR (Email) - 27 September '07 - 17:44

Andre:

With regards to Dell I have to agree with your suggestion that optional components arrive pre-installed. However, with HP we always get the box of parts just like Sun. To my understanding it is the difference between being direct-sales oriented and channel oriented. I don’t believe you have the luxury of pre-installing the components when the systems are being delivered from distributors inventory.

Jason J. W. Williams (Email) - 27 September '07 - 18:32

It looks great!
These systems offer 8 internal 2.5” 10K RPM SAS drives. With stock disks coming in 73GB or 146GB, and the ability to purchase larger drives on the open market.

Joann (Email) (URL) - 28 September '07 - 05:48

David, try a different reseller, seriously.

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Hi,
No nge cards, sounded great untill we got to jumpstart our first one.
No way to get a text console during jumpstart boot time (guys at the remote site didn’t plug the ELOM).
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