I couldn’t help coming across the following article found pronounced on Pillar Data‘s front page: NetApp Unseated at NASA Unit. The article is from August but Pillar is still proud of it.
I’ll save you the hassle of reading it… basically: NASA’s Solar Data Analysis Center bought a NetApp F840 in 2002. That was about toward the end of the F840′s life, so it wasn’t hot hardware even at the time, so they must have bought just prior to the release of the FAS900′s. Reguardless, they bought it in 2002 and have been happy with it. Now its getting old (really really old) and so they bought a Pillar Axiom. At first they were mirroring the F840 to the Axiom but now, shock of shocks, they flipped and the F840 is now backing up the Axiom! Talk about hot news!
So how is this news? Why did ComputerWorld write this crap? I mean, I’m migrating data from a CX300 to Thumper (Sun Fire X4500) and decommishing the EMC… is that news? Should I call ComputerWorld with the exciting announcement?
Now if, for instance, NASA took the FAS840 into a field and filled it full of C4 so that it didn’t stink up their datacenter, that would be something noteworthy. But they are still using it as a backup solution, which tells me that they like it and are getting a decent ROI.
Its no secret in the storage market right now that Pillar Data is trying to increase its client base so hard that they’ll basically give you the thing for free if you haggle enough. They need to build a client base to show that they are viable and with Larry’s cash they’ll do anything needed to make this brick fly. Frankly, Pillar is a company that just doesn’t excite me. They call ancient performance tuning and allocation techniques ‘revolutionary tiered storage’ and are building a boring FC only device. They probly have more promise than EMC, the bloated and boring beast who’s more interested in virtualization than storage, but they just don’t bring anything terribly exciting to bear. Perhaps I’d feel diffrent if I had some hands on time with one, maybe its a better solution that I think, I’m accepting that I might be wrong… but I don’t see Pillar winning on its merits, I don’t see people saying much good about it, just that they are cheaper, and they aren’t cheaper because of list but because they will undercut anyone that gets in their way, and that sort of “user car salesman” tactics just doesn’t fly with me.
Pillar benchmarks suck. Nothing exciting is out there about them. They whore themselves whenever possible. They’ve got great marketing, I love their ads, very attractive, but little else. In a sense I with they’d just hurry up and die.
Like I said, though, I could be wrong. Maybe its a great product and I’m just not seeing things straight. If so, speak up, they sure could use an advicate.
I love visiting this site for the positive jolt something like, “Wow, look at this! Widget X is so kool and let me count the ways…”
ok… bite the bullet dude. Lots of things suck, we know that.
Kicking them around on a popular blog and pretending that you’re opinion doesn’t matter is not “kool.” It’s not like you. Let me summarize this entry for you the way
it landed in my brain:
“Pillar? Pffft. I wish that whore would hurry up and die! Oh, and please correct
me if she’s not a ugly whore.” Yikes. I hope you can agree, this is not your typical blog post.
I hope I haven’t abused my privilege to interact here
Please keep up the good work!
Thanks.
Way to keep it lively Ben. We know that the industry pubs would never be able to cut through the haze to be this clear.
I noticed you said you were swapping out a CX300 to a Thumper. My concern with using a Thumper as a storage platform is redundancy, or rather the lack thereof. You can’t exactly set up a hot failover pair of thumpers, and it is gonna take a dang long time to back up / restore 20+GB of data over gige. I suppose keeping a spare thumper to pirate the ‘mini galaxy box’ from would be another possibility… Are you doing anything about this or just hoping the MB doesn’t blow up on you?
Hi Ben,
Some interesting thoughts on Pillar
Hope you dont mind but Ive blogged about them on http://blogs.rupturedmonkey.com and linked your site and comments in.
Im wondering if you were having a bad day the day you wrote this post??
I personally come across statements like revolutionary etc all the time from IT companies. It bugs me no end but the marketing people aint gunna change! Can you imagine them calling pillars tiered storage on disk “a rehash of an ancient performance tuning and allocation technique”. Id love to see it though!
Ive made a couple of other points in relation to some of the comments you’ve made.
Good post – just think a lot of the comments apply to everyone and not just Pillar.
Mackem
Interesting rant but come on EMC/Netapps none of them are ground breaking or revolutionary. Storage is a commodity plain and simple so if a company can come out and find a better way of skinning the cat more power to them. If Ben is looking for sea state change technology he’s looking at the wrong place in storage.
Pillar is a good company, with sound products, perhaps a little over hyped at first but they are growing and seeing their offerrings find validation in the market place. Did Netap or EMC go from zero to hero in one bound,,,gosh no they gave away evals, they lowered prices, they BOUGHT MARKET SHARE and frankly still do. Welcome to the real world.
Pretty non professional piece of blogging there Ben. A company comes out and makes honest attempts to lower the TCO on storage that companies have to buy. Yes it is a commodity- but companies need this commodity – so when its cheaper with a few intersting twists thrown in- whats wrong with that. Its obvious to me now- that you dont really have a handle on the the business side of IT- you seem to be just another gear hear oblivious to the bottom line and resource constraints most companies are having. This piece has me losing respect for ability to analyze– and Ive follwed your blog foer a while. pillar may not be the end all cure all- but they certainley have a viable alternative to EMC and Net App- sorry their not curing Cancer for you.
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