Hot on the heals of Oracle’s revamp of Solaris support, the licensing agreement for free downloads of Solaris 10 have changed. Infoworld broke the news on Friday.
Here is the bit in question. Notice this paragraph in the Licensing Agreement:
“Obtaining an Entitlement Document is simple. On the Solaris 10 Get It page, select the platform and format you desire from the drop-down menus, and then click the Download Solaris 10 button. When you arrive at the Sun Download Center, either sign in or register, ensuring that a valid e-mail address is part of your Sun Download Center account to receive the Entitlement Document. Fill out the Solaris download survey, specifying the number of systems on which you are installing the software. Once you have completed the survey, you will be redirected to the Solaris 10 download page for downloading, and your Entitlement Document will be sent to your registered e-mail address. Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software.“
That’s the part that is that gets the interest… but here’s the part that is more serious. Here is a line from the old license:
“In order to use the Solaris 10 Operating System for perpetual commercial use, each system running the Solaris 10 OS must have an entitlement to do so. The Entitlement Document is delivered to you either with a new Sun system, from Sun Services as part of your service agreement, or via e-mail when you register your systems through the Sun Download Center.”
Notice the end of the line, “or via email when you register your systems through the SDC”. Look at those 2 sentences in the new document:
“In order to use the Solaris operating system for perpetual commercial use, each system running Solaris must be expressly licensed to do so. An Entitlement Document comprises such license and is delivered to you either with a new Sun system or from Sun Services as part of your service agreement.”
Notice something missing? Now the only entitlement docs come from a new “Sun System” or a service contract. This is the basis for the aforementioned “Please remember…”
Under the old agreement Solaris was only a 90 day trial if you failed to register… however, now its a 90 day trial only if you register. An important question to be answered is: What about agreements with other equipment makers such as HP and Dell? Previously those agreements didn’t really matter much outside of marketing because you could buy a Supermicro and register it for an entitlement… but now?
So far the OpenSolaris license has not changed, it’s still CDDL.
So long as OpenSolaris remains free this isn’t the end of the world… but now all eyes turn to OpenSolaris’s fate. The end of the month is here and OpenSolaris 2010.03 is no where in site and those I’ve asked on the inside are unable to say.
This might be a good time to catch up on non-Sun/Oracle distros such as Nexenta, Schillix, and Belenix.
When combined with the support revamp and the impending Solaris 11 based on IPS, the message seems clear. Out with the old, in with the new. There may be attractive offerings for new customers in the high-end enterprise space, but long time supporters in smaller shops are going to get royally screwed.
Sounds pretty bad. Oracle might try to marginalize OpenSolaris and present it as a mere toy for experiments, not fitting for usage in production. So it’s will be up to community to change that and ensure that it will be a high quality product fitting serious tasks. Only if Oracle will not try to thwart that.
Pretty sure the license small type changed well before the tech journos ever broke the news on it, but whatever. Still hugely shortsighted though.
Spent yesterday giving FreeBSD a spin.
:/
Also, how does this apply to NON-commercial use (e.g., the hobbyist segment)?
Another good question Bill. Maybe I should write yet another Open Letter… I’ll start a series on the blog.
btw, my “Open Letter to Oracle” got absolutely no reaction. No one contacted me, nothing. I know people at Sun saw it, especially thanks to the Register article, but no response.
Ben, please do.
I’m genuinely curious to know how folk wanting to learn HP-UX or AIX for example get a start in learning the ropes with a view to finding employment using those systems, given that those OSs are not anything approaching readily available nor I imagine affordable, and now that Solaris has ended up in a similar boat. Surely it would be in Oracle’s best possible interest to foster hobbyist or casual non-commercial use or tinkering where possible.
Yes, we still have OpenSolaris, and yes I have a Sun X2100M2 and V240 to complete my SCSA on…but still!
Dave, I know what you mean. I actually had a five year plan for once but now Oracle has gone and screwed that up. Do you think this change and its effects would be worth a rethink of career path? If so were would you refocus? AIX, HP, maybe a BSD or even linux distro?
WTKF?
couple of mentions on BSD here, I feel the same way… bsd has dtrace & zfs, but how about performance vs solaris- anybody mind to comment?
also I have investigated zfs on BSD and I do not think it is as solid as on solaris, maybe there will now be more cross development.
Could anyone suggest a single reason that Oracle would actually _want_ to support Solaris? They’ve been a Linux shop for years.
The only two reasons anyone would choose to use Solaris over Linux were dtrace and ZFS. Nobody outside of Sun ever actually used dtrace, and ZFS is about to be beaten into ground by btrfs.
I think it’s fairly safe to say: Solaris is dead. I await Netcraft’s confirmation of same.
use upcoming Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server version instead.
I dont trust Oracle, no one should do. i hope they dont mess around Java/JavaFX/Glassfish/Netbeans.
they posted it too early. 1st of April is in few days …. ;p
Duh!
Btrfs is hype. It needs ten more years to arrive, based on current development rate.
@Jim what are you talking about???
There is nothing pointing to a demise of Solaris anywhere, Oracle is establishing a baseline from where to obtain more money from every Sun asset, including Solaris.
I commented something similar on a previous post by Ben. Oracle’s POV is “you want premium? you have to pay.”.
If you care to notice, Solaris is for Oracle what AIX/HP-UX is for IBM/HP. Let me further explain in case you don’t get it.
Both IBM and HP resell Linux… but critical systems are still UNIX. In IBM’s case it’s AIX on Power, in HP’s is HP-UX on Itanium (even if HP shoot HP-UX on the foot with that decision…).
What about Oracle?. Not only they resell Linux, they have their own distro (OEL, based on Red Hat), but they also have their own support plans for their distro and others (So far, only RHEL that I know of).
They are not a Linux shop, they are simply an anti-windows, anti-everybody else shop. They want to control everything and give support to it all, which is why they chose Linux, and particularly Red Hat, which for most is the enterprise representation of Linux.
What now that they have Solaris? They FINALLY have control over it all. They can offer Linux for small, low-end, x86 customers and they can offer their UNIX for the high end.
And do notice that, high end… Even if Solaris scales from small systems to hundreds of threads, Mr. Ellison clearly stated many times that Solaris belongs to the high end. The whole point is to be able to sell something to anyone… and to a point, MySQL also has it’s purpose here.
Oracle, unlike Sun, doesn’t care about Solaris market share or number of downloads… they care about the support contracts they have and the money.
On the Dtrace/ZFS point, you say “Nobody outside of Sun ever actually used dtrace, and ZFS is about to be beaten into ground by btrfs.”… Which is something I had not seen for quite a while now.
How do you explain then that Dtrace is part of Mac OS X’s Xcode?… ZFS and Dtrace already come with FreeBSD?… what about the on going projects to port ZFS to FUSE, Mac (native) and Linux (native.. disregarding licensing issues)?.
ZFS is used by many people, even if they don’t know it. Just ask the Nexenta people. Sun’s (oops, Oracle’s) FISHworks is based on OpenSolaris (ZFS/Dtrace/SMF/FMA) to offer all of those capabilities to the series 7000 storage.
In fact, what has pushed IBM, Cisco and, in it’s moment, Oracle to fund SystemTap and BTRFS was to be able to compete against Solaris. And neither of those are comparable to Dtrace or ZFS, not on features and not on stability. Many of my clients are using those features, and Containers (which BTW, finds almost no competition in the market), so please refrain from writing groundless remarks about Solaris usage…
Just as OpenSolaris, Solaris is not going anywhere. So please, stop spreading FUD.
@RJSmyth… If you are thinking about going to AIX or HP-UX, you might as well stay with Solaris… otherwise, you would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
@jeremy… I don’t even know how to comment on that, typical Ubuntu fanboy answer… I would recommend you to read a bit about the differences between Solaris and Ubuntu, then comment back.
@Ben, I hope you don’t get offended, but those open letters for me are useless… they increase fear to Solaris users, but achieve nothing… and Oracle is under no obligation to answer.
They are still planning what to do with Sun’s stuff, so they probably do not even know how to answer yet… I think it’s best to keep waiting a bit more and see what they do.
@phobos
wow, I dont even understand as well why you should answer all the comments, trust me I’m not a fanboy of anything. anyway, you should also talk to Larry to read something about differences between Solaris and Ubuntu, he still thinks Oracle’s unbrea… linux is greater than solaris.
Jeremy, sorry, but I believe you are misinformed.
Larry (and the whole Oracle crew) has stated that the future of high-end will be Solaris. Read the transcript of his webcasts, or watch them in full. You can find some of Larry’s remarks such as:
“I think Solaris is way far advanced, and I love Linux, but I think Solaris is a more capable operating system,”
“I think Solaris’ home is in the high-end of the data center, and it will be a long time before Linux catches up”
“But again we will have Linux — I’m a Linux fan and if you want Linux we have the best Linux in the world. If you want UNIX, we have the best UNIX in the world. And again, they are different and I don’t think the high end is in trouble at all.”
As you can see, they are positioning Solaris first (high-end), and if you want Linux, well, they have that too.
Sorry, but Ubuntu doesn’t even comes close to Solaris in any way. It doesn’t even directly compare to RHEL.
Once again, I invite you to read and research a bit before posting such groundless comments.
@Phobos
I am all for reading and researching and tapping the minds of knowledgeable folk which your post seem to imply that you could belong to this group =). So I would like to ask you your comments on the performance of FreeBSD vs Solaris.
kr
Phil
Phil, my only comment is that your mileage may vary!.
Both Solaris and FreeBSD are good OSs for general use, but in order to know which one suits you best, nothing beats a hands on experience. ZFS performance on FreeBSD still has some details that needs to be addressed, but it already is labeled as production ready.
Dtrace on FreeBSD also works great. I believe it doesn’t have all the probes Solaris has yet, but it performs great anyways.
Personally, I would recommend you to test both systems. Maybe you will find some comparative benchmarks in Phoronix, but those don’t guarantee your application will work better on one or the other.
Hope that helps.
I posted most of my thoughts on your previous post Ben. Thanks for watching the emerging news and giving us some interpretation of it.
I’m sad to see Solaris go this route. It may be right for Oracle – as Phobos mentions, they have Linux for the low end – but that doesn’t change the reality that Solaris is going to be relegated to the high end. I guess if you’re going to be relegated to something, that’s where you want to be, but I had dreamed of a world where SMBs would be running Solaris as well.
As Ben says, Opensolaris is all we’ve got now. Maybe that’s enough, I don’t know. Maybe the value added distributions will make and support something awesome based off of it. Maybe pushing people onto OpenSolaris is actually a good thing for OpenSolaris.
I have a wacky idea for the value add distributions like Nexenta to tackle: spool up a Solaris clone based off of OpenSolaris, and sell support for *that*.
@phobos
thanks for the advice, it’s appreciated
@JeremyT
good idea, actually great idea re solaris clone, maybe strip the major opensolaris releases down to a much more base system and maintain a stable repo for this and then have opensolaris stable/current distros similar to [[http://www.freebsd.org/releases/]] for devs
@phil
“Personally, I would recommend you to test both systems. Maybe you will find some comparative benchmarks in Phoronix, but those don’t guarantee your application will work better on one or the other.”
Phoronix tests are often lame and to not test what they should, for example, they tested disks performance with gzip …
Also, for their FreeBSD benchmarks, they have done that WITHOUT AHCI enabled (about 30% better disk performance) and WITHOUT ZFS, so their tests are useless for OpenSolaris/Solaris users.
Regards.
This first came to light on the 21st and has been discussed on Usenet and the OpenSolaris lists.
One thing that appears to have been overlooked is virtual hosts. If the wording is to be believed, you can’t run Solaris 10 in a VM!
Ian.
Hmm, Oracle support the development of btrfs. For me it seems, they would like to push Linux for every place and develop missing features from Linux (like btrfs is similar to Sun’s ZFS). They may have better business not to develop Solaris/OpenSolaris too, or release their products for multiple OSes, for them (I think) it’s better and cheaper to “forget” about Solaris (not right now, but slowly and painfully). I am so sad about that, since especially with Solaris 10, it became a very nice OS, I liked a lot for server purposes. Now OpenSolaris should be cared by the community or so, hmm?
@LGB, you are talking about Oracle 2 years ago.
They invested in BTRFS and SystemTap in a time where the only way they could be independent from other vendors was by selling Linux.
Fast forward to 2010, they are no longer tied to Linux and, as Larry states, Solaris is the most advanced OS there is. While BTRFS and SystemTap are still under development, ZFS and Dtrace are already stable and production ready.
There is no point for them to continue pushing BTRFS or SystemTap… Now it’s mostly up to IBM, Red Hat and others who wish to compete with Linux against Solaris.
@phobos
Oracle very much _are_ a linux shop:
“As we have already noted, Oracle Corporation has openly embraced Linux as their internal operating system and has announced that by the end of 2004 Linux will be the core platform for Oracle’s internal systems. According to Oracle, this migration was driven out of a desire to standardize on an operating system and because they view Linux as a less expensive and faster option.”
http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_linux_oracle_open_source.htm
“Solaris is for Oracle what AIX/HP-UX is for IBM/HP”
Ah, yes. Because HP/UX is such a popular OS. Hands up anyone that’s bought an HP/UX license in the last 10 years. AIX is still clinging on for dear life, I’ll grant you, but ‘clinging on’ is pretty close to ‘dead’. I was at the IBM Power7 launch – Linux was clearly made out to be the OS of choice.
Solaris is for Oracle what AIX/HP-UX is for IBM/HP. Yeah, that about sums it up, unfortunately.
Only that it isn’t, Jim.
Internally, Oracle uses Windows, Exchange and active directory… to the point they need Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP to use some of their applications TODAY… Their Linux “embrace” only goes as far as developer’s machines, not their core. Would you call them a Windows or Linux shop just for that?
HP almost killed HP-UX when they went all-in for Itanic, and IBM doesn’t care if AIX isn’t the most used OS in the world. They became a services company, they sell support for AIX and Linux, so they always win, it doesn’t matter what they sell.
Which is a bit different for Oracle, when they say they will optimize Solaris for their applications… Meaning clients should feel compelled to go Solaris instead of Linux.
Also remember that neither Oracle nor IBM are Operating Systems companies, they sell the value of the whole solution, including the hardware and software stack and associated services.
Unlike AIX and HP-UX, Solaris is not tied to SPARC, even if it’s the best architecture for it. Solaris has optimizations done by AMD and Intel that allows it to take advantage of their latest technologies and while Oracle isn’t interested in volume systems sales, they are in large clusters, like Exadata, mostly build up of cheap x64 systems. Those kind of appliances based on Solaris and not on OEL are expected to come out once they iron out the details. And there are also the storage appliances, based on OpenSolaris… Solaris has already taken paths much too different to those of the other UNIX.
My eyes are on Java. It obtained respectability when sun open sourced it. Will oracle trash that?
This really is a predictable, if poorly thought out move by Oracle. I spoke recently to some Oracle people I know, who have been told to aim only for the top 5% of the food chain – this clearly fits that as a business model.
As far as the rumblings about Solaris being dead.. it’s about 20 years too early to say that. —and in response to the earlier comment by Jim regarding Dtrace and ZFS.. well I don’t work for Sun, nor Oracle, never have, but i use Dtrace constantly while performance tuning some financial market apps I’m involved with. It gives you unmatched observability .. and IMHO, zfs is far and away, the best file system out there.. Nothing else even comes close. I run a few different Linux’s, as well as Solaris 10 (on both X64 and Sparc) and OpenSolaris.. every day, both personally and professionally.. don’t get me wrong, I love Linux.. and have used it since long before the 1.o kernels.. but Solaris is unmatched for stability, and scaleability, by anything else on the market.
The thing we need to keep an eye on now is Java.. .. look at the number of devices with Java as part of the package.. a 1eur per license.. would net Oracle hundreds of millions.. and at the end of the day.. just like Solaris.. the enterprise clients aren’t going to stop using Java because of cost issues.
At the end of the day, I’ll be very surprised if this isn’t reversed or modified to allow an RTU without a support contract..
Maybe their ultimate aim is to make it only available as part of a closed-box combo, Sun/Oracle hardware running Sun/Oracle Solaris with ORACLE DB and premium support. That’s their slogan: Software, Hardware, Complete!
I too think they’re still learning the ways of this new marketplace outside DB software, and they might realise they need to return across some of the bridges that they are now burning.
P.S. They REALLY need to delete this embarrassing web page in case someone asks for it to be updated:
http://www.sun.com/offers/details/solaris_10_advantage.xml
I don’t think an update for 2010 would reach the same conclusions!
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I’ve been a long time Solaris supporter, but I’m going to have to give it up if it’s not free anymore. Would like to switch to OpenSolaris, but if it’s not kept current, that’s not an option. Guess I’m going to have to settle for GNU/Linux as it’s about all that’s left that meets the minimum criteria (even though it’s painful to use in comparison to Solaris). :-/ BSD just isn’t where I need it to be at all or I’d go that route…
Re: FreeBSD – I actually looked at ZFS on FreeBSD, when planning my file server installation. I ultimately went with ZFS on OpenSolaris, even though I have a much higher comfort level with administering FreeBSD. Mostly this was because NFSv4 mirror mounts weren’t available yet on BSD. I consider mirror mounts a requirement for a practical ZFS deployment. I use ZFS for home directories, and listing every user’s home directory in /etc/fstab on every client machine was just too ugly to consider.
The future of Solaris/OpenSolaris is too uncertain at this point to continue considering it as part of an enterprise IT strategy; unless you like gambling. We were starting to transition our Linux systems to Solaris but now were heading back.
Solaris will be to Oracle what AIX is to IBM and HP-UX is to HP; i.e, old warhorses kept around for legacy deployments, with little to no new development and deployments. A sad development indeed, but not very surprising (it was one of the scenarios I conjured up in my head when I first heard Oracle was buying Sun).
“Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software.”
I can not find that anywhere in the SLA!!!
Just to clarify the above post of mine, first it says that my use is governed by the SLA, then it says “please remember”… but since my use is governed by the SLA, and the SLA doesn’t say anything about 90 days eval if downloaded, it’s a loophole.
A lot of good and insightful comments by phobos, but I’d like to make one correction:
> Internally, Oracle uses Windows, Exchange and active directory…
Not true (not anymore).
First: I’ve been at a number of “shops” that were “windows-only”, and at other which tried to be linux-friendly by going the “open” route (often instigated by a forward-thinking IT Director / CTO, frequently followed by a very strong backlash by upper mgmnt.) I’d say those are the two extremes: windows-only & “open” (read: open protocols / no vendor lock-in of any type).
An actual “linux shop” is an impossibility — if not an oxymoron. You can be an “open shop”, but not a “linux shop” (i.e., which “linux”? why not a BSD-shop?). And, there certainly can be no “linux shop” as long as there is a need for a marketing department or even middle management.
That being said, Oracle is very linux-friendly on the inside. The mail server isn’t exchange, it’s an Oracle-branded zimbra (beehive). (Much eating of own dogfood, so-to-speak, for better or worse.) And the mail clients are thunderbird; but many old-time outlook users can use a plugin to support exchange-free IMAP. I use generic IMAP configuration for my iphone. Life is once again outlook-free. And the desktop standard for linux AND windows is OpenOffice (but many still use ppt & word, but it’s not encouraged). The IM standard is pidgin. The helpdesk actually supports Oracle Linux on the dekstop (most other companies I have been at either disallowed it, or (at VERY best) turned a blind eye.) …Though, personally, I use Ubuntu, which is explicitly allowed albeit unsupported — but I get “support” just by collaborating with co-workers who also use the same OS as me.
Peace,
i felt bad about this at first but know I am quite pleased…
the king is dead, long live the king
(with other opensolaris distros being the heir)
time to support other great communities, your first stop should be http://www.genunix.org to view available opportunities.
Been waiting all March for osol 2010.03 to come out, still nothing, so I went and downloaded -134 and belenix and nexenta.
I first tried “community” edition of nexenta and I’m very disappointed. What’s this business about having to provide a machine ID and then get a serial number to activate it? Isn’t it built from opensolaris which is open source? Why the microsoft style activation? Disgraceful!
And after all that, it looks to be a very stripped down OS, more like an appliance. I’m not about to sit there and apt-get the universe just to have a working desktop machine. Sure, it’s meant to be a filer, but I expected at least a full userland and some sort of desktop.
Meh. I went back to the development of osol-134. Not sure how stable it is, but at least it doesn’t have activation.
I think you may have got your versions of nexenta confused.
http://www.nexenta.com provides a download for a storage applicance, based on the output from the http://www.nexenta.org project which is OpenSolaris kernel and the Debian userspace. The storage applicance is not a replacement for OpenSolaris, but a targetted solution for network storage.
The download from http://www.nexenta.org is the version you should be trying out and I am pretty sure that does not have the activation issue that you are complaining about.
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Does anyone know when the new version of OpenSolaris will be released? It is more than a week we passed April. Anybody have any info? The usergroup lists are awfully quite about the subject….
I don’t see the same vergiage that Ben posted now under the Solaris download agreement….any confirm?
License Agreement for Solaris 10
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